Excellent reporting. What are we doing???? The level of sheepdom is astounding. ELECTING & FOLLOWING authorities who doublespeak that’s it’s good to allow people to be fed poisons, numbed with drugs and so kept busy with jobs they hate just to ensure they & their families don’t loose their homes & then are force drugged in the streets. If you’re not being dragged away yourself then keep your mouth shut is how Hitler came to capture an entire nation.
Given how long the conditions have been stacked agains the natives in Nanaimo, as narrated, I find difficult to believe some sort of due process failure is the central issue.
There were already Laws to protect ownership of the land, was it lack of implementation a due process failure?.
And due process in civil involuntary commitments in many jurisdiction is a joke: the victim is not at trial many times, he or she probably was willingly over drugged while civilly? incarcerated, delaying his or her appearance for months on appeals, all it requires is a signature and a statement an individuals needs involuntary treatment from a "pro", maybe two...
No countering testimony can be provided given the nature of the psychiatric labeling: no matter all other aspects of a persons life, it always becomes monodimensional and assessed under the same imaginary labeling framework: psychiatric disease. Even having money turns a person into a pork chop to be dried up until no more money can be extracted from him or her.
As in all state appointed defense lawyers, assuming, a big if, plead guilty, do the minimum sentence and in a few weeks you´ll be off. Who needs a lengthy trial?.
But at the bottom there can´t be due process when the issues to be decided even by a fair, equipped and willing court are imaginary. Those things no matter how many "papers" are put to support the reality of mental disorders or illnesses do not give them the objectivity other civil offenses have. Necessary for a proper legal adjudication: mere intersubjective gut feelings do not even have an artistic standard. Artists know better...
And that´s a good point: for an involuntary civil commitment, what is the civil offense?.
--"Do I look funny to you?, do I scare you?".
Which leaves the contrast between criminal and civil commitment sort of hanging.
What´s the standard to impose a "civil penalty" on which "civil offenses".
And given the history, civil psychiatric commitments will only lead to more of those, not less, unless people die at a rate around 2% per year outside the hospital, 30-60 fold increase of suicide by mere psychaitric incarceration, or around a 4% per year inside a psychaitric hospital.
Fortunately, most people don´t end the full year inside a psychiatric hospital, but there are replacements, so it is prorated over the weeks inside the hospital.
And when going out, they are in a worse state than when they went in, hardly a long term solution.
But it does speak to me of hate: those folks are not ignorant, are hateful...
I agree that involuntary commitment laws and procedures usually bypass many key due process protections. And re the First Nations treaty -- absolutely, governments are knowingly breaking the law. The courts have noted that fact, and repeatedly instructed governments to at least negotiate and achieve new settlements that they will abide by.
Respectfully, re-re, as stated I don´t think it is lack of due process but ineffectiveness of Sentences. Those in other Jurisdictions are different issues, if a sentence is not carried out usually fines and jail are the options, except some Bureaucrats cannot be prosecuted until out of office. Then there is the problem at least in México DAs are the ones who need to OK the thing. But, in México the Supreme Court can order the emission of an arrest warrant by a district judge as a thing already judged, it is a long process, it has been used sparingly, alas, DAs need to act on those, there are no Court Marshalls. But I don´t know which is the problem/process in the US or Canada regarding ineffective sentences against Municipalities.
But it would be important to know, beyond civil/penal conviction and Native issues.
I agree with the first person who commented. In the age of rising fascism and authoritarianism we should fiercely be protecting and defending our civil rights and civil liberties more than ever before
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Exceptional reporting, Rob. Again.
Excellent reporting. What are we doing???? The level of sheepdom is astounding. ELECTING & FOLLOWING authorities who doublespeak that’s it’s good to allow people to be fed poisons, numbed with drugs and so kept busy with jobs they hate just to ensure they & their families don’t loose their homes & then are force drugged in the streets. If you’re not being dragged away yourself then keep your mouth shut is how Hitler came to capture an entire nation.
Going on a limb and a little controversially:
Given how long the conditions have been stacked agains the natives in Nanaimo, as narrated, I find difficult to believe some sort of due process failure is the central issue.
There were already Laws to protect ownership of the land, was it lack of implementation a due process failure?.
And due process in civil involuntary commitments in many jurisdiction is a joke: the victim is not at trial many times, he or she probably was willingly over drugged while civilly? incarcerated, delaying his or her appearance for months on appeals, all it requires is a signature and a statement an individuals needs involuntary treatment from a "pro", maybe two...
No countering testimony can be provided given the nature of the psychiatric labeling: no matter all other aspects of a persons life, it always becomes monodimensional and assessed under the same imaginary labeling framework: psychiatric disease. Even having money turns a person into a pork chop to be dried up until no more money can be extracted from him or her.
As in all state appointed defense lawyers, assuming, a big if, plead guilty, do the minimum sentence and in a few weeks you´ll be off. Who needs a lengthy trial?.
But at the bottom there can´t be due process when the issues to be decided even by a fair, equipped and willing court are imaginary. Those things no matter how many "papers" are put to support the reality of mental disorders or illnesses do not give them the objectivity other civil offenses have. Necessary for a proper legal adjudication: mere intersubjective gut feelings do not even have an artistic standard. Artists know better...
And that´s a good point: for an involuntary civil commitment, what is the civil offense?.
--"Do I look funny to you?, do I scare you?".
Which leaves the contrast between criminal and civil commitment sort of hanging.
What´s the standard to impose a "civil penalty" on which "civil offenses".
And given the history, civil psychiatric commitments will only lead to more of those, not less, unless people die at a rate around 2% per year outside the hospital, 30-60 fold increase of suicide by mere psychaitric incarceration, or around a 4% per year inside a psychaitric hospital.
Fortunately, most people don´t end the full year inside a psychiatric hospital, but there are replacements, so it is prorated over the weeks inside the hospital.
And when going out, they are in a worse state than when they went in, hardly a long term solution.
But it does speak to me of hate: those folks are not ignorant, are hateful...
I agree that involuntary commitment laws and procedures usually bypass many key due process protections. And re the First Nations treaty -- absolutely, governments are knowingly breaking the law. The courts have noted that fact, and repeatedly instructed governments to at least negotiate and achieve new settlements that they will abide by.
Respectfully, re-re, as stated I don´t think it is lack of due process but ineffectiveness of Sentences. Those in other Jurisdictions are different issues, if a sentence is not carried out usually fines and jail are the options, except some Bureaucrats cannot be prosecuted until out of office. Then there is the problem at least in México DAs are the ones who need to OK the thing. But, in México the Supreme Court can order the emission of an arrest warrant by a district judge as a thing already judged, it is a long process, it has been used sparingly, alas, DAs need to act on those, there are no Court Marshalls. But I don´t know which is the problem/process in the US or Canada regarding ineffective sentences against Municipalities.
But it would be important to know, beyond civil/penal conviction and Native issues.
I wish that retired psychiatrist would speak out loud and clear that everything you spoke about is true.
Yes! I said that to her.
She might get involuntary committed if she did.
Truly there are at least oblique narratives of violence against insiders who tiptoe with betrayal of Psychiatry or whistleblowing.
Even veiled threats against relatives to get them diagnosed, or pointing the lack of a diagnosis in a minor, for instance.
And in Medicine, outside psychiatry there is an omerta, and some creepy nebulous "enforcement" against deviance, sociologically understood.
I agree with the first person who commented. In the age of rising fascism and authoritarianism we should fiercely be protecting and defending our civil rights and civil liberties more than ever before
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Ben Franklin
wow, excellent reporting. so fucking scary.